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7/16/2010

The Pittsburgh Sports Fan’s Wish List



In the Steel City, we always have a wish list of things we’d like to see happen with our favorite sports teams. A trade. A free agent signing. A certain rival’s presence on the schedule. You know what I’m talking about.

In this week's Fan feature article, I've compiled a list of 10 wishes that Pittsburgh sports fans are holding out hope for, along with the odds of them happening in the next year. The Steelers, Pirates, Penguins, Panthers, and even the Nittany Lions pop up in this one.

For the on-air discussion, I'll be talking about this and all things Pittsburgh sports with Gregg Giannotti at 8:20 p.m. on Friday night. You can catch our chat at 93.7 on your dial and streaming online at 937thefan.com.




51 comments:

NickDawg said...

The Fan announced that it will be in a new partnership with PITT. Thats great news and now all their games will be broadcast on crystal clear FM radio not shitty AM. All PITT all the time...93.7 The Fan

Louis Lipps is my homeboy said...

Waiting for Penn State fans to chime in with usual "We don't care about Pitt anymore.... yet we still talk about them on every message board when the opportunity arises" schtick.

Actually, to his credit, I think that Penn State Adam has actually admitted that he cares about Pitt. Am I correct?

Adam said...

http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/2010/7/8/1553731/syracuse-penn-state-fallout-pitt-football

NickDawg said...

That article was written by a penn st writter named Adam...any coincidence or is that you? Regardless that article is in the opinion and view of a penn st fan and writer so I really dont see it as valid at all but nice try

Scott said...

Adam,

You do realize that PSU can play both Pitt and Syracuse in the same season.....don't you? Sure we may have to sacrifice some of our great recent rivals such as Youngstown State, Indiana State, and Coastal Carolina, but I think fans will get over it with time.

okel dokel said...

I do not get the blather over the LeMarr Woodley contract situation. He will get signed, but the labor situation complicates things. I bet both sides have agreed to let that crap play out before making a deal.

The drafting of the linebackers makes me believe that whenever football resumes after the coming season the Steelers will have cut Harrison or Farrior or possibly both of them and will sign LeMarr as the big stud line backer. Lawrence Timmons may be gone too.

The Pens did exactly what they had to do in free agency. The defense sucked, the winger talent available was poor and somebody was foolish enough to give Sergei a three year deal.

It comes down to Max Talbot - if he can get back to where he was two years ago he will replace Staal as the center on the third line and we will have a deadly second line.

They may make a deal later in the season if that doesn't work out and will probably have to give up either Letang or Goligowski and someone like Dupuis, Kennedy or Talbot.

Adam said...

@ Scott

I'm assuming you'd rather have that than a three time defending national championship women's volleyball team, huh?

GMoney said...

A 40% chance that Pitt makes the Final Four??? It might be closer to 4% given their tournament history.

Scott said...

Adam,

I'm not totally sure what women's volleyball has to do with our football schedule, but I would be willing to sacrifice all their championships and wins for the restoration of a classic rivalry that I enjoyed growing up a kid in Pittsburgh. Hell, I would even toss in the the 4 championships won over the last two years from the fencing teams to see Pitt and PSU go home and home every year.

Adam said...

That's a little selfish, don't you think?

Scott said...

Not at all; these deadbeat sports are a drain on the athletic department, the university, and thus all students and their families. Whats selfish is making 90,000 other students and their families pick up the tab so a select few can prosper.

Adam said...

Ah, now see that's where you're so thoroughly misguided.

Penn State University doesn't subsidize a dime of the athletic department's budget. Thanks to 7 home football games, the athletic department not only pays for itself, but sends money back to the university to LESSEN the tuition burden on families, not increase it.

Few other schools can say that, and that's why Penn State needs the guarantee games against the Youngstown States and Temples of the world. If you take that 7th home game away, suddenly you have chaos in the athletic department, and eventually the university, which no one affiliated with the school wants (except folks like you who don't really care about anything but football).

Clint Pitts said...
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Clint Pitts said...

50% for Pitt to get into the BCS? They're the Big East favorite for sure but I don't know I'd put any team above 30%. Maybe Boise St. to win the WAC but that's it.

Scott said...

The athletic department would see more profits if they didn't have to support the sports that don't make money or lose money. That would mean more money for the university. Transitionally one could make the intelligent ascertainment that sports that don't make money are taking money, all beit potential money but money none the less, from the greater student body. And they played 8 home games last year and still raised tuition 6 percent. You need to dig a little deeper than just reading and stating the athletic department is self sufficient.

JW said...

Did we just add a new word to the dictionary? Ascertainment? That's awesome. Sounds like something you get at an exotic dance club.

Adam said...

So just so we're clear here.

If Penn State cuts athletic programs, it will have more money. If the athletic department has more money, it doesn't need 7 home games. If it doesn't need 7 home games, it can play Pitt.

So rationally, your argument is to cut athletic programs so that Penn State can play Pitt.

Utterly ridiculous. I've never ever heard a Pitt fan suggest something so ignorant.

Penn State intercollegiate athletics exist to bring the best and brightest into the University and to represent the school, not to pull a profit. These kids work their asses off for Penn State, much more so than random frat boy on Burrowes. They deserve the assistance they get.

BURGH08 said...

"Penn State intercollegiate athletics exist to bring the best and brightest into the University and to represent the school, not to pull a profit".


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=3504915

楊儀卉 said...

一時的錯誤不算什麼,錯而不改才是一生中永遠且最大的錯誤............................................................

Adam said...

http://www.gopsusports.com/genrel/071610aab.html

Louis Lipps is my homeboy said...

There was one football player on that list Adam...


.... the dude who just comes on here and posts random Japanese letters is officially more informative than you.

BURGH08 said...

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/07/16/2088990/larry-johnson-gets-scolding-for.html


http://onwardstate.com/2010/07/17/penn-state-athletes-charged-with-disorderly-conduct/

http://www.examiner.com/x-6668-Penn-State-Nittany-Lions-Football-Examiner~y2010m4d15-Penn-State-fullback-charged-with-underage-drinking

the nigerian nightmare said...

OMGZ!!! A college student getting busted for underage drinking?! What's next, someone pissing on a golf course?

Dominic Errico said...

Adam, Don't bother trying to talk logically to PITT fans. They can't sell out Heinz Field, haven't won a BCS game and wonder why PSU wants to host two of the three games.

Most of them don't understand the financial aspect of having a successful football program and how much opportunity that opens up for other sports to attract top tier athletes.

Just because you may not appreciate collegiate wrestling, volleyball or fencing doesn't make them any less important especially to the athletes in those programs.

Maybe PSU has better success in those sports because they can financially support them and care about them.

Maybe PSU realized years ago the national bias in football towards the SEC and USC, and the Big XII. The BCS is total BS and doesn't allow a championship to be decided on the field properly. Utah and Boise State both finished undefeated last year and were "rewarded" by having to play each other instead of possibly embarrassing one of the power leagues.

Who did Utah get to play the last time they went to a BCS game undefeated, oh that's right they knocked the crap out of PITT.

The truth in all of this is that Pitt needs Penn State to come to Pittsburgh to play because they know they would actually sell out a game for once.

BURGH08 said...
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BURGH08 said...

"OMGZ!!! A college student getting busted for underage drinking?! What's next, someone pissing on a golf course?"

If that person was described as one who would "exist to bring the best and brightest into the University and to represent the school, not to pull a profit", yes, pissing on a golf course would deserve the same ridicule.


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"Just because you may not appreciate collegiate wrestling, volleyball or fencing doesn't make them any less important especially to the athletes in those programs.

Maybe PSU has better success in those sports because they can financially support them and care about them."


If they really 'cared' for them, then why don't the PSU students fill the arena for volleyball or wrestling?

Or for that matter-basketball? If you use the Heinz Field argument, can't the same be said about Bryce Jordan?

HotDog_Zanzabar said...

"Who did Utah get to play the last time they went to a BCS game undefeated, oh that's right they knocked the crap out of PITT."

It was Alabama genius. Never let facts get in the way of a good argument.

give me the brandy said...

I'll take Pitt's basketball and football teams over PSU's any day. Nobody cares about women's volleyball.

Adam said...

@ BURGH

I was talking generally about Penn State's student athletes. If you want to emphasize the football players, that's fine, but realize that #1 Many of them were charged by a grandstanding local district attorney trying to make political waves and (case and point, Austin Scott) #2 They're only a fraction of the athletes on campus, who, by and large, represent the university very well.

@ Brandy

You're ignorant...which why I assume you root for Pitt.

Louis Lipps is my homeboy said...
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Louis Lipps is my homeboy said...

"Maybe PSU realized years ago the national bias in football towards the SEC and USC, and the Big XII. The BCS is total BS and doesn't allow a championship to be decided on the field properly. Utah and Boise State both finished undefeated last year and were "rewarded" by having to play each other instead of possibly embarrassing one of the power leagues."


Or, it could be because, well, everytime USC, Florida, bama, LSU, etc play a Big 10 team they kick the ever lo1ving bejesus out of them...

I mean, that could be a reason for the bias against PSU and their slow, fat, white-guy football brethren. Or maybe it's just that famous media "West Coast and Deep South" bias rearing it's head again!


Sell out your basketball games. You'd need Pitt to come up there and play you to do that!

More PSUcks snobbery, and then they wonder why nobody likes them.

They aren't nearly as good as their "100,000 strong in a stadium in the middle of nowhere where there's nothing else to do" think they are.

I can't wait until 'bama lays a whooping on them in a few weeks.

Adam said...

Huh. I seem to remember beating LSU on New Year's Day...

Clint Pitts said...

@HotDog

Obviously he meant the trip before when Utah beat Pitt. Its still a fact, it just wasn't the last trip.


As a Penn State guy, I do think we overrate our football team a little bit. Its not a top 10 program anymore but it's not far off.

However I think you Pitt fans overrate your basketball team. They haven't made a Final Four in 69 years(PSU even has one since then) and they only have 1 Elite Eight since they started making the tournament again. Obviously the team is much better than Penn St. but you don't have a top-10 basketball program but you're probably right outside of that.

Adam said...

@ Clint

With all that said, football pays the bills, sells the brand, and draws the applications. That's why you don't hear fans on either side complaining that Pitt and Penn State don't play in basketball any more either and why Nebraska was a no-brainer over Pitt for Big Ten expansion despite it's TV market.

Any school that takes pride in its football team should dread being known as a basketball school, and that's what Pitt has become. Does Pitt have a better basketball program? Sure they do, but I doubt there's a Penn State fan alive that'd trade any of the football success it's had to have a better basketball team.

Can you say that about Pitt?

Ask Pitt Stadium.

BURGH08 said...

@ Adam: No problem if you want to make general opinions, but you probably should also realize that #1 your opinion on the district attorney is another example of that and #2 those players charged were the fraction of folks that help float the budgets of the other sports. In other words as much as you want to deny it, it comes down to profit as to why it exists.

Of course, it's easy to expose your thought that it's any different at Penn State. With enrollment at Penn State and chest thumping of the attendance at football games they can't fill the house for the fencing/wrestling/volleyball events.

Does any basketball players not "represent the university well"?, that must be the case, or more fans at such a large university would average more than 8K for a basketball team. Not because they won three games in the Big Ten last season.

Hey, keep rolling out the talking points though. Your opinion will change soon after anyone cares about women's volleyball.

BURGH08 said...
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BURGH08 said...

"Any school that takes pride in its football team should dread being known as a basketball school, and that's what Pitt has become."

This from the guy that posted this in response to having weak home non conference games:

"I'm assuming you'd rather have that than a three time defending national championship women's volleyball team, huh?"

By the way, many schools are known to be "football schools" only because they don't have another big time sport they are regularly competitive in.

That's something to take pride in I guess. As long as you don't have a 'Boss Hogg' district attorney trying to frame the poor football players.

Comical.

Adam said...

-Who said no one goes to see the non-rev sports? Rec Hall regularly fills up for Volleyball, wrestling and gymnastics to name a few. Why do you think the rinky dink place hosts so many NCAA Championship events? It's because there's an appetite for it in State College. Maybe you don't care, but believe it or not, there are some people that can take pride in things that don't end up on ESPN (O wait...Megan Hodge was nominated for a f***ing ESPY.)

-You want to know why basketball stinks? It makes money with the BTN TV contract. If you're a suit at Old Main, why take a loss by paying someone who can make a difference when you can take your check, hire a guy who will be in over his head for peanuts (Ed DeChellis) and go home?

-Scott was hardly the only one Madeira frivolously prosecuted. He's simply the most high profile example. It's a shame Run Up The Score is gone, because I'd refer you to a post Chris did that cut the OTL piece to shreds.

-Right. Penn State playing 7 home games is totally the same as literally paving over your football stadium and building a basketball arena on top of it. You got me.

Dan said...

Adam's playing chess while Burgh is playing checkers...

Adam said...

BURGH is still looking for Ray Gricar.

BURGH08 said...

* Less than three thousand go to women's volleyball games at Penn State. For the "champs" if that's "having an appetite" it's not even a Happy Meal.

I'm sure there are stats for Penn State wrestling, but would wager that PSAC schools may beat it out.

The point is with an enrollment that Penn State has it proves that NOBODY cares about the sports there.

* As for why the basketball stinks, I've seen it, and then seen real programs like Wisconsin and Ohio State. Wait, a Big Ten school competitive in football AND basketball? Interesting, and to think they also work in the same conference yet don't make the excuses you do.

* Wow, "Run Up The Score" was right, and yet somehow they don't exist anymore while the evil ESPN goes after the poor Penn State innocent football players.

Wipe your chin Adam. Your comments and actions certainly don't represent your university well.

BURGH08 said...

Nice to see Adam brought his roomate that read his blog over.

As for Gricar, I heard that he resides at Bryce Jordan, which is why nobody will ever find him.

HotDog_Zanzabar said...

"-You want to know why basketball stinks? It makes money with the BTN TV contract. If you're a suit at Old Main, why take a loss by paying someone who can make a difference when you can take your check, hire a guy who will be in over his head for peanuts (Ed DeChellis) and go home? "

I guess this explains why you're a Pirate fan as well.

Adam said...

@ BURGH

+1 for the Gricar joke.

-If 2,000 a night in a city of 60,000 people is a Happy Meal, what is 50,000 in a metro area of 1.7 million for a fracking football game, a sport people allegedly care about? The charred up french fry at the bottom of the bag? Give me an effing break. There aren't 2,000 people in this picture.

http://assets.sbnation.com/imported_assets/73516/large_pittgame_medium.jpg

-I'm not making excuses for the basketball program, I'm just telling you why it is the way it is. Tim Curley isn't going to risk going broke paying a coach who may or may not be able to turn the thing around. If the Big Ten hadn't made us, we probably wouldn't have even built the Jordan Center.

-Run Up The Score merged with BSD.

Scott said...

The volleyball teams at psu also play games in the south gym at rec hall. I guess people care so much they have to move games to a gym that seats less than most high schools.

frank said...

scott u r probly just a pitt fan tryin to make adam look bad hes right why would we waste r time playin pitt when they suck balls and we r so much better than them and evry1 knows it serously its just payin pitt to get there empty yellow seats filed up for like 1 game a year i hope they run out of money and have 2 fold there fball team so we don't have them tryin to steal r pa recriuts like any recriut is gona want 2 play in front of like 7 people every week anyway hahahah
WE ARE PENN STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

NickDawg said...

Wow frank, from the looks of your intellect, looks like you went to Penn st. You write like a litte girl would text.

Hail PITT!!!

frank said...

u try writing this from a interet cell phone i bet u cant even turn a phone on since u went 2 pitt hahaha
WE ARE PENN STATE!!!!!!!!!!!

Scott said...

Frank,

Wow.... Where do I begin

First off I went to Penn State so I can hardly be considered a Pitt fan.

Penn State is a better program than Pitt, but PSU can hardly be considered better this year. If we played Pitt they would have the three best players in the stadium and that would be tough to match up against. Who covers Baldwin, who stops Lewis if he gets past the front 4, who blocks Romeus, and who blocks Sheard ......Never mind. To be clear Penn State is not worlds ahead of Pitt in any way. They are pretty much on equal ground and should be playing each other every year.

For playing in front of 7 people Pitt certainly gets a lot of recruits that PSU would love to have. Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame also grab a lot of those guys. Maybe if PSU would head into to western pa every other year and win a game this trend would stop.

And Adam is never right. He is just some confused Penn State fan that jumped back on the bandwagon in 2005. Lets face the facts, Penn State under-performs in football, disgraces the game of basketball, and cites strength in sports that no rational fan cares about as an indicator of high departmental success. But hey the kids on the fencing teams work hard as Adam the PSU fan always says. I'm sure they do, and I work my ass off in galaga but that doesn't mean anybody should care. He is just as bad as the front running, clueless, philly fans I had to deal with at that university for 4 years.

BURGH08 said...

Scott sums it up pretty well.

Adam-could care less about what second rate blog merged with, but I'm sure you bring the 'BS' in 'BSD'.

Maybe you should hire Scott, but I bet you can't afford him.

frank said...

hey scott u cant fool me i know ur a pitt fan no penn state fans r as dumb as u hahaha pitt only cars about basketball cuz they suck balls @ football y dont u go masterbait to a picture of wannstat cuz hes ur bf hahaha
WE ARE PENN STATE!!!!!!!!!!